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> <channel><title>Comments on: 12 Excuses for Shooting Photos for Free — and Why They’re Bogus</title> <atom:link href="http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html</link> <description>Professional Photography Blog</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:56:37 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Talbert McMullin</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-10#comment-66554</link> <dc:creator>Talbert McMullin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:16:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66554</guid> <description>David, it is very obvious you have missed the point to this entire conversation. Kindly take your head out of your *** and open your eyes.Joan, here&#039;s a good exercise for you: Try paying your bills with passion and not money. I would love to hear how that goes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, it is very obvious you have missed the point to this entire conversation. Kindly take your head out of your *** and open your eyes.</p><p>Joan, here's a good exercise for you: Try paying your bills with passion and not money. I would love to hear how that goes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David C</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-66528</link> <dc:creator>David C</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:45:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66528</guid> <description>Wow, I couldn&#039;t disagree more.  Nothing like criticizing hobbyists trying to get more experience. Sounds like you&#039;re losing some customers to college students and are quite bitter about it.  Good for the students.  If people are performing the same quiality of work that you are and they&#039;re doing it for free, then maybe what you have isn&#039;t so special after all.  But judging by this angering article, it sounds like you might have a career in Op-Ed articles..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I couldn't disagree more.  Nothing like criticizing hobbyists trying to get more experience. Sounds like you're losing some customers to college students and are quite bitter about it.  Good for the students.  If people are performing the same quiality of work that you are and they're doing it for free, then maybe what you have isn't so special after all.  But judging by this angering article, it sounds like you might have a career in Op-Ed articles..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Simon T</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-66317</link> <dc:creator>Simon T</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:45:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66317</guid> <description>If you are being constantly undercut by other people doing work for free then you don&#039;t have as marketable a skill as you thought you had. That is your problem not the problem of people who just want to take photos for the pleasure that it gives people.It&#039;s the difference between being an artist and a sell-out.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are being constantly undercut by other people doing work for free then you don't have as marketable a skill as you thought you had. That is your problem not the problem of people who just want to take photos for the pleasure that it gives people.</p><p>It's the difference between being an artist and a sell-out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joan Mae</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-66315</link> <dc:creator>Joan Mae</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:04:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66315</guid> <description>I can&#039;t agree with you. Nature requires us to go the extra mile before we reap harvests. Even farmers have to clear their land and do the toil first before they get increasing returns.If you continue looking at your profession like that, you will end up with a huge hole in your heart because you always seek returns of your passion in the monetary form.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't agree with you. Nature requires us to go the extra mile before we reap harvests. Even farmers have to clear their land and do the toil first before they get increasing returns.</p><p>If you continue looking at your profession like that, you will end up with a huge hole in your heart because you always seek returns of your passion in the monetary form.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Padua</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-66281</link> <dc:creator>Mike Padua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66281</guid> <description>@Jason,Very, very good point and something to think about.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason,</p><p>Very, very good point and something to think about.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-66233</link> <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:29:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66233</guid> <description>Oh the irony of a blogger complaining that people who give away work are ruining their industry.You do realize that before blogs, where people write content for free, there were newspapers and magazines?They are now firing their creative staffs because they can buy their content cheaper of free from amateurs, or are closing their doors because they can&#039;t compete.It strikes me that you did not consider the bread that you and all the other rock star blogger photographers are taking out of the mouths of photo industry journalists, by devaluing their work and words, by giving your words away for free.Oh yeah and I bet you use the same excuses - it&#039;s just marketing, I&#039;m just getting myself out there.... etc.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the irony of a blogger complaining that people who give away work are ruining their industry.</p><p>You do realize that before blogs, where people write content for free, there were newspapers and magazines?</p><p>They are now firing their creative staffs because they can buy their content cheaper of free from amateurs, or are closing their doors because they can't compete.</p><p>It strikes me that you did not consider the bread that you and all the other rock star blogger photographers are taking out of the mouths of photo industry journalists, by devaluing their work and words, by giving your words away for free.</p><p>Oh yeah and I bet you use the same excuses - it's just marketing, I'm just getting myself out there.... etc.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Padua</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-66223</link> <dc:creator>Mike Padua</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:16:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66223</guid> <description>@Demon Lee: You&#039;re a genius.@Kevin N:The first time I read your post, I got a little upset. You&#039;re that f****** doctor/engineer/software programmer who &quot;doesn&#039;t need the money&quot; who is taking away opportunity from the people who DO need the money. You&#039;re the guy who, just this morning, was chosen over me to shoot a job for a theatre company with a $1.5 Million operating budget because you were willing to do it for free.But then I realized that I don&#039;t compete with free, and the &quot;clients&quot; who place a value of $0 on my skill, expertise, equipment, and results are exactly the clients I want to avoid.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Demon Lee: You're a genius.</p><p>@Kevin N:</p><p>The first time I read your post, I got a little upset. You're that f****** doctor/engineer/software programmer who "doesn't need the money" who is taking away opportunity from the people who DO need the money. You're the guy who, just this morning, was chosen over me to shoot a job for a theatre company with a $1.5 Million operating budget because you were willing to do it for free.</p><p>But then I realized that I don't compete with free, and the "clients" who place a value of $0 on my skill, expertise, equipment, and results are exactly the clients I want to avoid.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pet sitter jacksonville</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-66089</link> <dc:creator>pet sitter jacksonville</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:05:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-66089</guid> <description>Great post. I was checking constantly this weblog and I am inspired! Very useful info particularly the last part :) I handle such info a lot. I used to be seeking this certain info for a long time. Thanks and best of luck.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I was checking constantly this weblog and I am inspired! Very useful info particularly the last part <img
src='http://rising.blackstar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I handle such info a lot. I used to be seeking this certain info for a long time. Thanks and best of luck.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-65316</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-65316</guid> <description>Actually I disagree, if you want to create an outstanding wedding portfolio, just rent a dress, go to a college and talk to students, most know how to put make up on, and this is also where your artistry comes in...read between the lines of you can...some might be pretty enough to make your portfolio look good, but if you think for a moment that wedding photographers shoot and then hand over the photos out of the camera you are dreaming with your brain open!!!!!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I disagree, if you want to create an outstanding wedding portfolio, just rent a dress, go to a college and talk to students, most know how to put make up on, and this is also where your artistry comes in...read between the lines of you can...some might be pretty enough to make your portfolio look good, but if you think for a moment that wedding photographers shoot and then hand over the photos out of the camera you are dreaming with your brain open!!!!!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-65315</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:42:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-65315</guid> <description>With all this information available on Google, I think I&#039;ll become a physician too, but without having $500k in loans, and then I am going to offer medical care for free to everyone, not just to those who pay high insurance premiums!!!!!
And the best part, I don&#039;t even need to buy any equipment! hahahahahaha I would actually be ashamed to call myself a physician these days:Patient: &quot;Dr. I have pains all over, my throat hurts etc etc&quot;
Dr: &quot;Ok, here&#039;s an antibiotic! Have nice day!&quot;
I guess it pays to go through med school so after that you do nothing for the rest of your &quot;Physician&quot; life!Photographers actually move a lot more AT their job!!!!!!!!For a physician, you lack basic education &amp; common sense!!! I fell sorry for you!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all this information available on Google, I think I'll become a physician too, but without having $500k in loans, and then I am going to offer medical care for free to everyone, not just to those who pay high insurance premiums!!!!!<br
/> And the best part, I don't even need to buy any equipment! hahahahahaha I would actually be ashamed to call myself a physician these days:</p><p>Patient: "Dr. I have pains all over, my throat hurts etc etc"<br
/> Dr: "Ok, here's an antibiotic! Have nice day!"<br
/> I guess it pays to go through med school so after that you do nothing for the rest of your "Physician" life!</p><p>Photographers actually move a lot more AT their job!!!!!!!!</p><p>For a physician, you lack basic education &amp; common sense!!! I fell sorry for you!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Demon Lee</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-65314</link> <dc:creator>Demon Lee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:42:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-65314</guid> <description>What about people like me?  I&#039;m a photographer, but surgery is my hobby. I&#039;ve been doing it for about 5 years: devouring books, workshops, and cutting into anything and everything. I have no desire to turn my passion into a money-making venture (it&#039;d be more of a tax hassle than anything). I&#039;ve done some decent work, some of it--I&#039;m told--on par with what a lot of local &quot;Dr&#039;s&quot; produce. I&#039;ve spent a lot of money on gear over the years, and have finally built up a decent theatre. What I really want to do are heart ops, but again, I don&#039;t want to charge. I&#039;m not even looking to build a portfolio. I&#039;d just like to, occasionally, take on the challenge of a heart transplant. My motivation is simply the personal pride in giving a patient a heart they can cherish.  I suppose I could allow them to pay me whatever they think I&#039;m worth, or is fair, and apply those funds to new gear, but again...I don&#039;t really need the money, and I think it&#039;d be more hassle free that way.  I guess, largely, I just don&#039;t want to spoil my hobby by introducing money. I don&#039;t want it to ever be work, know what I mean?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about people like me?  I'm a photographer, but surgery is my hobby. I've been doing it for about 5 years: devouring books, workshops, and cutting into anything and everything. I have no desire to turn my passion into a money-making venture (it'd be more of a tax hassle than anything). I've done some decent work, some of it--I'm told--on par with what a lot of local "Dr's" produce. I've spent a lot of money on gear over the years, and have finally built up a decent theatre. What I really want to do are heart ops, but again, I don't want to charge. I'm not even looking to build a portfolio. I'd just like to, occasionally, take on the challenge of a heart transplant. My motivation is simply the personal pride in giving a patient a heart they can cherish.  I suppose I could allow them to pay me whatever they think I'm worth, or is fair, and apply those funds to new gear, but again...I don't really need the money, and I think it'd be more hassle free that way.  I guess, largely, I just don't want to spoil my hobby by introducing money. I don't want it to ever be work, know what I mean?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimbo</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-65308</link> <dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:41:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-65308</guid> <description>Yep I know what you mean. In fact I was thinking of also becoming a physician but offering my services for free. Maybe if I do that everyone will become a physician and also offer their services for free. That way there would no longer be a living to be had from being a physician.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep I know what you mean. In fact I was thinking of also becoming a physician but offering my services for free. Maybe if I do that everyone will become a physician and also offer their services for free. That way there would no longer be a living to be had from being a physician.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin N.</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-65138</link> <dc:creator>Kevin N.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:36:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-65138</guid> <description>What about people like me?  I&#039;m a physician, but photography is my hobby. I&#039;ve been doing it for about 5 years: devouring books, workshops, and shooting anything and everything. I have no desire to turn my passion into a money-making venture (it&#039;d be more of a tax hassle than anything). I produce decent work, some of it--I&#039;m told--on par with what a lot of local &quot;pros&quot; produce. I&#039;ve spent a lot of money on gear over the years, and have finally built up a decent studio. What I really want to do are weddings, but again, I don&#039;t want to charge. I&#039;m not even looking to build a portfolio. I&#039;d just like to, occasionally, take on the challenge of a wedding. My motivation is simply the personal pride in giving a bride &amp; groom a product they&#039;ll cherish.  I suppose I could allow them to pay me whatever they think I&#039;m worth, or is fair, and apply those funds to new gear, but again...I don&#039;t really need the money, and I think it&#039;d be more hassle free that way.  I guess, largely, I just don&#039;t want to spoil my hobby by introducing money. I don&#039;t want it to ever be work, know what I mean?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about people like me?  I'm a physician, but photography is my hobby. I've been doing it for about 5 years: devouring books, workshops, and shooting anything and everything. I have no desire to turn my passion into a money-making venture (it'd be more of a tax hassle than anything). I produce decent work, some of it--I'm told--on par with what a lot of local "pros" produce. I've spent a lot of money on gear over the years, and have finally built up a decent studio. What I really want to do are weddings, but again, I don't want to charge. I'm not even looking to build a portfolio. I'd just like to, occasionally, take on the challenge of a wedding. My motivation is simply the personal pride in giving a bride &amp; groom a product they'll cherish.  I suppose I could allow them to pay me whatever they think I'm worth, or is fair, and apply those funds to new gear, but again...I don't really need the money, and I think it'd be more hassle free that way.  I guess, largely, I just don't want to spoil my hobby by introducing money. I don't want it to ever be work, know what I mean?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimbo</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-64728</link> <dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-64728</guid> <description>Like most business a smart photographer needs to know when to start and when to get out. I am glad that I got out at the right time. Unqualified amateurs have trivialised the business.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like most business a smart photographer needs to know when to start and when to get out. I am glad that I got out at the right time. Unqualified amateurs have trivialised the business.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CB</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-64698</link> <dc:creator>CB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:32:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-64698</guid> <description>If you shoot fashion you have no choice these days.  Almost all the editorial work that is done, is done for free.  That is the place the industry is now in.  So you have a choice, you can try to test in order to keep renewing your work (in which case you will be working for free), but you will not have decent styling because the clothes are only lent to legit press sources, nor will it be easy to have good stylists or talent al together in the same place at the same time.  Published work is more important than cash and better than nothing when looking for the cash jobs later.  Most of the magazines function at a loss these days too, so they can&#039;t even afford full time staff.This is the reality and it sucks.  But it is the reality nonetheless.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you shoot fashion you have no choice these days.  Almost all the editorial work that is done, is done for free.  That is the place the industry is now in.  So you have a choice, you can try to test in order to keep renewing your work (in which case you will be working for free), but you will not have decent styling because the clothes are only lent to legit press sources, nor will it be easy to have good stylists or talent al together in the same place at the same time.  Published work is more important than cash and better than nothing when looking for the cash jobs later.  Most of the magazines function at a loss these days too, so they can't even afford full time staff.</p><p>This is the reality and it sucks.  But it is the reality nonetheless.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-64446</link> <dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:10:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-64446</guid> <description>This is bullshit. THIS SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE. So called professional overpaid photo-hacks just hate on hungry up-and-coming photographers willing to earn a reputation. Especially because the industry has changed. It&#039;s sooooo easy to look like a professional photographer and that scares you. To the green photographers, You have to build a very diverse portfolio somehow.  I work with freelance photographers daily and most of the time I pay them. They also do favors for me when I don&#039;t have a budget for a photographer. When young photographers come to me wanting paying work, I tell them they have to earn that. I give them trial gigs that lead to paying gigs.A SMART PHOTOGRAPHER knows how to work a shoot if they are smart. I have photographers come out to one of my events for a free meal and a spill tab and they&#039;ve turned it into paying gigs and licensed photos to the musicians they shot. Be smart, or be bitter and your days will be numbered!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bullshit. THIS SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE. So called professional overpaid photo-hacks just hate on hungry up-and-coming photographers willing to earn a reputation. Especially because the industry has changed. It's sooooo easy to look like a professional photographer and that scares you. To the green photographers, You have to build a very diverse portfolio somehow.  I work with freelance photographers daily and most of the time I pay them. They also do favors for me when I don't have a budget for a photographer. When young photographers come to me wanting paying work, I tell them they have to earn that. I give them trial gigs that lead to paying gigs.</p><p>A SMART PHOTOGRAPHER knows how to work a shoot if they are smart. I have photographers come out to one of my events for a free meal and a spill tab and they've turned it into paying gigs and licensed photos to the musicians they shot. Be smart, or be bitter and your days will be numbered!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimbo</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-64427</link> <dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:44:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-64427</guid> <description>If you work for free then be very embarrassed for having no respect for yourself and no confidence.And if you are trying to become a professional, then why are you helping to destroy the industry. And if you are working for free you obviously have no insurance. Anyone working in another profession like this would be in deep trouble with the authorities.Theres very few photographers out there these days anyway. To be a photographer you have to be skilled in working with film and chemistry. Digital imaging is not Photography.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you work for free then be very embarrassed for having no respect for yourself and no confidence.</p><p>And if you are trying to become a professional, then why are you helping to destroy the industry. And if you are working for free you obviously have no insurance. Anyone working in another profession like this would be in deep trouble with the authorities.</p><p>Theres very few photographers out there these days anyway. To be a photographer you have to be skilled in working with film and chemistry. Digital imaging is not Photography.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimbo</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-64425</link> <dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:24:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-64425</guid> <description>Once you start doing work for free the word gets out and the minute you try to charge a fee the reaction will be, &quot; you didn&#039;t charge so and so, so why are you charging me&quot;. If anyone asks you to do it for free ask yourself, do they work for free as well?And when a company asks you to work for free with the promise of paid work later on, they will simply try the same trick with another photographer once they are done with you. YOU WILL NOT GET ANY PAID WORK FROM THEM.If you start your business working for free, then its not a business and when you start charging you will loose all your contacts as they will then look for another free photographer. You have to charge a fee from day one and if you don&#039;t get any work then it proves one thing. Photography as a profession is dead.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once you start doing work for free the word gets out and the minute you try to charge a fee the reaction will be, " you didn't charge so and so, so why are you charging me". If anyone asks you to do it for free ask yourself, do they work for free as well?</p><p>And when a company asks you to work for free with the promise of paid work later on, they will simply try the same trick with another photographer once they are done with you. YOU WILL NOT GET ANY PAID WORK FROM THEM.</p><p>If you start your business working for free, then its not a business and when you start charging you will loose all your contacts as they will then look for another free photographer. You have to charge a fee from day one and if you don't get any work then it proves one thing. Photography as a profession is dead.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: PD</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-64138</link> <dc:creator>PD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:25:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-64138</guid> <description>The problem Krischan is that clients don&#039;t value quality. I have lost many jobs on the basis that my website is good &quot;so I bet your expensive&quot;. That sounds ridiculous, but I&#039;m afraid its the truth. And the restaurant chain that said that to me, then went on to use pictures that were so full of blurr and grain that they appeared to have been taken using a camera phone. What image that presents of a gormet restaurant to its clients, I don&#039;t know, but that is what happened.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem Krischan is that clients don't value quality. I have lost many jobs on the basis that my website is good "so I bet your expensive". That sounds ridiculous, but I'm afraid its the truth. And the restaurant chain that said that to me, then went on to use pictures that were so full of blurr and grain that they appeared to have been taken using a camera phone. What image that presents of a gormet restaurant to its clients, I don't know, but that is what happened.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Krischan</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-63859</link> <dc:creator>Krischan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:43:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-63859</guid> <description>The point that made me realize that this rant is hilarious was the comparison with IT and outsourcing to India. Because it disproves his list.Outsourcing to India. The IT-industry has been there. You get ... quantity, no quality. If you want quality, you have to pay the same wages as you pay your local professionals.There will always be an neighbour kid or a boss&#039; nephew that sells cheaper than the IT professional and you, as the professional, have two choices: either you gain the insight that the thing you are marketing is a dead horse (hey, let&#039;s build a webbrowser for private usage that costs 10$, or even better - a operating system for 200$) OR you snort and move to another client because that one will cause more trouble than worth because he can&#039;t recognize quality.There. The word. Quality. Your work, as a professional, should be visibly better than a local IT guys dabbling with a hobby. Hobbies can be quite expensive but that is their, that is my problem, not yours. If I, as a IT guy taking photos of my friends for free, am your problem then you are not worth your money and wouldn&#039;t be recommended by anyone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point that made me realize that this rant is hilarious was the comparison with IT and outsourcing to India. Because it disproves his list.</p><p>Outsourcing to India. The IT-industry has been there. You get ... quantity, no quality. If you want quality, you have to pay the same wages as you pay your local professionals.</p><p>There will always be an neighbour kid or a boss' nephew that sells cheaper than the IT professional and you, as the professional, have two choices: either you gain the insight that the thing you are marketing is a dead horse (hey, let's build a webbrowser for private usage that costs 10$, or even better - a operating system for 200$) OR you snort and move to another client because that one will cause more trouble than worth because he can't recognize quality.</p><p>There. The word. Quality. Your work, as a professional, should be visibly better than a local IT guys dabbling with a hobby. Hobbies can be quite expensive but that is their, that is my problem, not yours. If I, as a IT guy taking photos of my friends for free, am your problem then you are not worth your money and wouldn't be recommended by anyone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Talbert McMullin</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-63850</link> <dc:creator>Talbert McMullin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-63850</guid> <description>@Dwarfpaid work = GOLD, free work = STUPIDITYHere&#039;s my business policy:1. You want to use my work, you pay.2. Any questions? See point number 1.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dwarf</p><p>paid work = GOLD, free work = STUPIDITY</p><p>Here's my business policy:</p><p>1. You want to use my work, you pay.</p><p>2. Any questions? See point number 1.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrick Imbeau</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-63826</link> <dc:creator>Patrick Imbeau</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-63826</guid> <description>Started Free.
Then when people noticed my work, I started to charge. Almost nothing to start, but once I built up a portofolio, then I was able to begin charging a decent wage.You sound like a prima donna who forgot her roots.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Started Free.<br
/> Then when people noticed my work, I started to charge. Almost nothing to start, but once I built up a portofolio, then I was able to begin charging a decent wage.</p><p>You sound like a prima donna who forgot her roots.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dwarf</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-63018</link> <dc:creator>Dwarf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:07:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-63018</guid> <description>I assume everyone here knows of something called &quot;Photoshop&quot;.  Yes?There are numerous other photo-editing programs out there that are not only cheaper (e.g. Paint Shop Photo Pro), but also FREE (e.g. GIMP).By your logic, Adobe should have been driven out of business long long time ago.  Yet it stands.Ever heard of &quot;Microsoft Office&quot;?  Yes?There are numerous other &quot;office&quot; program suites out there that are not only cheaper (e.g. WordPerfect Office), but also FREE (e.g. OpenOffice).By your logic, Microsoft should have got out of the &quot;office&quot; program market.  Yet MS Office remains one of the flagship products.If you can produce a good product and/or service, and market yourself properly, there is no &quot;danger&quot; or &quot;threat&quot; coming from the &quot;cheaper and/or free&quot; crowd.  You define where you stand in the market.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume everyone here knows of something called "Photoshop".  Yes?</p><p>There are numerous other photo-editing programs out there that are not only cheaper (e.g. Paint Shop Photo Pro), but also FREE (e.g. GIMP).</p><p>By your logic, Adobe should have been driven out of business long long time ago.  Yet it stands.</p><p>Ever heard of "Microsoft Office"?  Yes?</p><p>There are numerous other "office" program suites out there that are not only cheaper (e.g. WordPerfect Office), but also FREE (e.g. OpenOffice).</p><p>By your logic, Microsoft should have got out of the "office" program market.  Yet MS Office remains one of the flagship products.</p><p>If you can produce a good product and/or service, and market yourself properly, there is no "danger" or "threat" coming from the "cheaper and/or free" crowd.  You define where you stand in the market.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-62982</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:35:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-62982</guid> <description>Mike,These people are flat out DUMB!Otherwise, why in the hell would you &quot;work&quot; for free? I for one did not realize that we&#039;re back to slavery!
WORK FOR FREE  - SLAVERY!!!!!!!People have worked long and hard to ABOLISH that, but apparently some are that stupid to not realize what they&#039;re doing!Bottom line, there is NO justification in one right mind to do ANY work for free, and that is basically simply because GAS is not free, FOOD is not free, CLOTHING is not free...Should I go on?These poeple who &quot;offer&quot; their &quot;work&quot; for free are nothing more than a bucnh of idiot who will never work 1 hour for free at their DAYJOB! yet they have the nerve to step into someone else profession and destroy it without regard that there ARE people in this world who want to make a LIVING out of photography.Being Digital has nothing to do with the QUALITY of a photograph, and in no way shape or form excuses the fact that there is STILL quite a bit of work involved.All you all are doing by offering these questionable services is to LOWER the expectations businesses have across the world and go &quot;ehh, good enough, it was free after all&quot;!!! which is pure BULLSHIT because this is how some business will LOOSE clients because people will realize that the image of that company looks like crap and will skip it in order to go with someone else&#039;s that respects their IMAGE!!!! THEREFORE PRODUCTS AND SO ON.You think you&#039;re good enough? great, LIVE OFF YOUR GOOD ENOUGHNESS THEN! don&#039;t go to a day job, live off you photography you say you&#039;re sooooooooooooooo good at! let&#039;s see how many camera&#039;s will you buy then! It is easy to talk when you make $100k and $1500 is cheap change, it is another story when you&#039;re asked to &quot;work for free, because they don&#039;t have a budget, and Joe Schmo did it for free&quot; , and THEN try to spend $1500 on a new camera!!!!!This is HYPOCRISY CENTRAL!You should be embarrassed at best for not only offering pure crap quality photos, not providing clients with Legal documentation of their rights and yours, and for basically being a SLAVE!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p><p>These people are flat out DUMB!</p><p>Otherwise, why in the hell would you "work" for free? I for one did not realize that we're back to slavery!<br
/> WORK FOR FREE  - SLAVERY!!!!!!!</p><p>People have worked long and hard to ABOLISH that, but apparently some are that stupid to not realize what they're doing!</p><p>Bottom line, there is NO justification in one right mind to do ANY work for free, and that is basically simply because GAS is not free, FOOD is not free, CLOTHING is not free...Should I go on?</p><p>These poeple who "offer" their "work" for free are nothing more than a bucnh of idiot who will never work 1 hour for free at their DAYJOB! yet they have the nerve to step into someone else profession and destroy it without regard that there ARE people in this world who want to make a LIVING out of photography.</p><p>Being Digital has nothing to do with the QUALITY of a photograph, and in no way shape or form excuses the fact that there is STILL quite a bit of work involved.</p><p>All you all are doing by offering these questionable services is to LOWER the expectations businesses have across the world and go "ehh, good enough, it was free after all"!!! which is pure BULLSHIT because this is how some business will LOOSE clients because people will realize that the image of that company looks like crap and will skip it in order to go with someone else's that respects their IMAGE!!!! THEREFORE PRODUCTS AND SO ON.</p><p>You think you're good enough? great, LIVE OFF YOUR GOOD ENOUGHNESS THEN! don't go to a day job, live off you photography you say you're sooooooooooooooo good at! let's see how many camera's will you buy then! It is easy to talk when you make $100k and $1500 is cheap change, it is another story when you're asked to "work for free, because they don't have a budget, and Joe Schmo did it for free" , and THEN try to spend $1500 on a new camera!!!!!</p><p>This is HYPOCRISY CENTRAL!</p><p>You should be embarrassed at best for not only offering pure crap quality photos, not providing clients with Legal documentation of their rights and yours, and for basically being a SLAVE!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-62981</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:01:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-62981</guid> <description>@DwarfYou miss the point here that you&#039;re doing something that is mutually beneficial to all involved to build something.  When you shoot someone for free that then utilizes that photo for profit or promotion, then you have just screwed yourself out of a lucrative deal.
I have an events company that&#039;s a &quot;Not for profit that is looking for someone to donate their time&quot;
That is bogus as hell.  They may be a not for profit, but I am not!  Not to mention, they themselves as individuals are not doing the events for free.
While their offer of a &quot;complimentary ticket valued at $50 as part of compensation&quot; is their hook, it is absolutely an insult and slap in the face to any dignified photographer.
Working for free begets more free work in over 90% of scenarios.
It is incumbent upon everybody to demand at least a reasonable amount of compensation.While you say your day job pays for everything, then great, go do favor work for friends and stay out of the professionals client base.  It is nothing more then ignorant and asinine to think that just because you have a job already that pays more than enough for your own equipment, that you shouldn&#039;t expect to earn money from your services.  You then are stealing money from those that need it.
Furthermore, take your day job and go do that for free at night or on the weekends for someone else.  Would you do this?  Does that make a bit of logical sense?If you are goign to do anything for free, then it should only be done on a basis of collaboration.  Not for someone to be exploiting of you regardless of whether you feel you are or not.  The difference is that you haven&#039;t done enough free work to feel the results of it yet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dwarf</p><p>You miss the point here that you're doing something that is mutually beneficial to all involved to build something.  When you shoot someone for free that then utilizes that photo for profit or promotion, then you have just screwed yourself out of a lucrative deal.<br
/> I have an events company that's a "Not for profit that is looking for someone to donate their time"<br
/> That is bogus as hell.  They may be a not for profit, but I am not!  Not to mention, they themselves as individuals are not doing the events for free.<br
/> While their offer of a "complimentary ticket valued at $50 as part of compensation" is their hook, it is absolutely an insult and slap in the face to any dignified photographer.<br
/> Working for free begets more free work in over 90% of scenarios.<br
/> It is incumbent upon everybody to demand at least a reasonable amount of compensation.</p><p>While you say your day job pays for everything, then great, go do favor work for friends and stay out of the professionals client base.  It is nothing more then ignorant and asinine to think that just because you have a job already that pays more than enough for your own equipment, that you shouldn't expect to earn money from your services.  You then are stealing money from those that need it.<br
/> Furthermore, take your day job and go do that for free at night or on the weekends for someone else.  Would you do this?  Does that make a bit of logical sense?</p><p>If you are goign to do anything for free, then it should only be done on a basis of collaboration.  Not for someone to be exploiting of you regardless of whether you feel you are or not.  The difference is that you haven't done enough free work to feel the results of it yet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dwarf</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-62967</link> <dc:creator>Dwarf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:37:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-62967</guid> <description>I keep seeing &quot;paid work = GOLD, free work = CRAP&quot;.That&#039;s a pretty sweeping generalization, isn&#039;t it?There are &quot;professional&quot; photographers that produce CRAP, just as there are &quot;hobbyist&quot; photographers that produce GOLD.I&#039;m a hobbyist, since I have a &quot;real&quot; day job that pays for everything.  Moreover, I never went to a photography school or took a photography course.Through &quot;free work&quot; (aka TFP), I&#039;ve built up a fairly good network and gained much experience that I otherwise would have to pay A LOT for.  Yes, I *WOULD* have had to pay for the numerous models, make-up artists, and (hair) stylists.  But, I did *NOT* have to, thanks to the generosity of everyone involved in our mutual portfolio building.The only things that I really lack now are my own indoor studio and lighting equipment.  That&#039;s about the only difference between me and a &quot;professional&quot;.  I can rent a studio and the equipment for the occasions that I need them.  The results I can produce are certainly not CRAP.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep seeing "paid work = GOLD, free work = CRAP".</p><p>That's a pretty sweeping generalization, isn't it?</p><p>There are "professional" photographers that produce CRAP, just as there are "hobbyist" photographers that produce GOLD.</p><p>I'm a hobbyist, since I have a "real" day job that pays for everything.  Moreover, I never went to a photography school or took a photography course.</p><p>Through "free work" (aka TFP), I've built up a fairly good network and gained much experience that I otherwise would have to pay A LOT for.  Yes, I *WOULD* have had to pay for the numerous models, make-up artists, and (hair) stylists.  But, I did *NOT* have to, thanks to the generosity of everyone involved in our mutual portfolio building.</p><p>The only things that I really lack now are my own indoor studio and lighting equipment.  That's about the only difference between me and a "professional".  I can rent a studio and the equipment for the occasions that I need them.  The results I can produce are certainly not CRAP.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Talbert McMullin</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-62889</link> <dc:creator>Talbert McMullin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:17:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-62889</guid> <description>You&#039;re right, Jeanne! What a paradox! It&#039;s all about keeping new competition out. &quot;Crush the competition before they start&quot; with unsurmountable obstacles.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're right, Jeanne! What a paradox! It's all about keeping new competition out. "Crush the competition before they start" with unsurmountable obstacles.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-62888</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:23:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-62888</guid> <description>Jeanne. In a word, assist.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanne. In a word, assist.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeanne</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-62886</link> <dc:creator>Jeanne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:14:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-62886</guid> <description>There are a plethora of articles out that warn clients not to hire a photographer unless they have a comprehensive portfolio demonstrating lots of experience in the type of event to be covered....and then there are as many articles about not shooting for free.  So exactly...how does one get a portfolio and experience before being hired?  Seems like just another way to block new people from entering the field.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a plethora of articles out that warn clients not to hire a photographer unless they have a comprehensive portfolio demonstrating lots of experience in the type of event to be covered....and then there are as many articles about not shooting for free.  So exactly...how does one get a portfolio and experience before being hired?  Seems like just another way to block new people from entering the field.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Giles Christopher</title><link>http://rising.blackstar.com/photographers-excuses.html/comment-page-9#comment-62696</link> <dc:creator>Giles Christopher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:55:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://rising.blackstar.com/?p=12479#comment-62696</guid> <description>With experience and having come up through the ranks of college, photo assisting, and now 20years experience as photographer.. times have changed and so has the photography business.. Digital photography is exciting and it is great that it has made photography available to the masses. i love it.. but it is sad that not many people going the pro route, learn the old fashion tried and tested way.. i.e assisting a photographer.. Learning etiquette , how to behave with models, clients, and above all how to value yourself!!
Now days it seems that getting a camera for christmas and friends telling you you take nice pictures is no basis to take it up full time..
Yes there is a market for Keen amateurs to earn a bit of money on the side and win competitions and love their hobby!!
But it needs all photo associations to put a divide between them and true pros with large client lists and large expensive studios..
With the phrase i hear a lot - &quot;it&#039;s not film anymore, its digital -  so its free&quot; no more developing costs.. well to an extent it is true if you have received a camera as a present.. BUT PRO&#039;s invest a lot of money and time in their equipment (Averagely $12,000 /  £9000 ) and most has to be updated every 18 months due to wear and tear and clients wanting latest tech! plus Insurance (indemnity and equipment), Premises, Memberships, Computers, Lighting and a car to drive it round in..
It costs me approx $40,000 a year to run a small pro studio properly..
So when i get the phone calls asking me to work for free, you know what i say!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With experience and having come up through the ranks of college, photo assisting, and now 20years experience as photographer.. times have changed and so has the photography business.. Digital photography is exciting and it is great that it has made photography available to the masses. i love it.. but it is sad that not many people going the pro route, learn the old fashion tried and tested way.. i.e assisting a photographer.. Learning etiquette , how to behave with models, clients, and above all how to value yourself!!<br
/> Now days it seems that getting a camera for christmas and friends telling you you take nice pictures is no basis to take it up full time..<br
/> Yes there is a market for Keen amateurs to earn a bit of money on the side and win competitions and love their hobby!!<br
/> But it needs all photo associations to put a divide between them and true pros with large client lists and large expensive studios..<br
/> With the phrase i hear a lot - "it's not film anymore, its digital -  so its free" no more developing costs.. well to an extent it is true if you have received a camera as a present.. BUT PRO's invest a lot of money and time in their equipment (Averagely $12,000 /  £9000 ) and most has to be updated every 18 months due to wear and tear and clients wanting latest tech! plus Insurance (indemnity and equipment), Premises, Memberships, Computers, Lighting and a car to drive it round in..<br
/> It costs me approx $40,000 a year to run a small pro studio properly..<br
/> So when i get the phone calls asking me to work for free, you know what i say!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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